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to impeach fani willis. that's the prosecutor who is charging donald trump and 18 of his allies. >> got up to this point, i have not seen any evidence that d. a. willis's actions, or lack thereof, weren't action by the prosecuting attorney, and the oversight commission. in my mind a, special senate -- to end running around this law, is not feasible. and, it may ultimately prove to be unconstitutional. >> kemp, a conservative, by sticking to the constitution, instead of caving by yet another effort to sabotage it without any merit. now, this comes as donald trump is waving his arraignment to plead not guilty, to the georgia case, and he wants to separate his case from all of the others, who want a speedy trial. i want to bring in now a former trump white house associate counsel -- and she is the president of restoring integrity, and trust, in elections. may, judge chutkan in the election interference case, did say that the former presidents

lawyers should have been prepared for this moments. that was the federal case. but even in this georgia case. i mean, shouldn't they really be hitting the ground running here? i mean, they've known about these potential charges coming for quite a while now. >> they have. but, we have to remember that trump hired his lawyer only recently. his lawyer has a trial scheduled for, basically, the month of september. and so, to go to trial in the month of october, isn't feasible. but i think really, it's not the timing that is the issue for president trump, in asking to sever his case. it is a notice that fani willis filed yesterday, saying hey,

fyi, when you ask for a speedy trial, it means that defendants are not given the rights that they normally would, as far as giving evidence in advance, being able to bring witnesses at the last moment. so, there are all these procedural protections that defendants don't get. and trump basically says, it's not fair for that to apply to me, because i am not requesting a speedy trial. so in that case, he basically had to sever. >> that's true. but, there is a part of this, which is the legal maneuverings here, of the trump team. i mean, he got a brand-new lawyer at basically the very last possible moment. he doesn't want these trials happening before the election. is this just another delay tactic? >> so i don't think that this is a delay tactic. and i know that there was a switch of the lawyer. but i think actually, this is one of the more responsible and earlier switches. it was before he even made his first appearance.

what you don't want to see is a switch in the lawyer, on the eve of trial, or during trial or something like that. that does start to feel like a delay tactic. but i think that october is outrageously fast. and it's actually a little bit unclear who is going to go in october. it seems like right, now the court has only said one guy, this kenneth chesebro. and even sydney powell, who has asked for a speedy trial. she doesn't want to go with chesebro. so he is asking to sever, but it's not even clear from whom. i think that most of the defendants, including president, trump are all going to be ending up going later, not necessarily because of delay, but just because of reality. the government hasn't even provided discovery yet. they don't even have the

evidence to sift through. yet >> this afternoon, a judge also cleared the way for cameras in the courtroom in georgia, in those trials of trump and his codefendants. this is something that is allowed in the state level, but not at the federal level. and trump of course, being the reality tv star that he is, he likes to play to the cameras. how do you think that will change how, he and perhaps how he wants his attorneys to approach this trial? >> so, it's going to be a real show, i guess. so, cameras in the courtroom are not something that i am in favor of. i don't think that it is beneficial, necessarily to

protecting the defendants due process. it instead turns this into a show, basically. but, it's something that i think trump probably wants. and i think that the american public want. because they want to be able to see what's going on. and i think that's very understandable. but how does that change what trump presents? i don't think it helps in a good way. i think all of the sudden now, we are re-litigating all of the flaws, minor and major, in georgia, rather than focusing on, for example, the elements of a rico crime, the elements of what it requires to have knowledge in false statements, that sort of thing. it changes the legal argument, relitigating the election. >> yeah.

well look, trump is going to be a defendant, sitting in a courtroom. the cameras are going to be on him. i remember in the new york case, there were cameras in their very briefly, just to take photographs, still photos. and he looked directly at them. his demeanor will matter quite a lot. and it's not just the cameras that the world is looking at, the jury will be seen how he before ms. to. do you think he will act differently, because he knows that there are cameras there? >> so, my experience with president trump's, maybe what the american people do like about him, which is there really isn't tv trump,nd behind the scenes trump. is kind of the showman that you would see on tv, all the time. like, when there's no cameras, when there is just a few number of people in the room, he still

is. i mean, i call him a host. like, he makes you feel welcome, and it's always about presentation. so, maybe it will change the way the public perceived things, maybe it will change the way that the lawyers argue. but the way that his face is, his demeanor is, his personality is. sometimes with trump, he is ruled by his emotion, and there is definite cons to that. one pro is, you get who you get. >> well, we will see how that works out with a jury of his peers. they will be ultimately deciding this case. -- thank you very much. >> thanks abby. >> and chris ripple joins me now. he is the author of, the fight of his life, inside joe biden's white house.

and also, the author of the gatekeepers. he also has an op-ed in the new york times today, arguing that trump's white house chief of staff, mark meadows, is a warning about what a second trump term could mean for the country. >> chris, thanks for being here. >> great to be here. look, brian kemp, let's start there. i mean, shooting down these calls for trump to, or for republicans to basically remove a dea, just because they don't like what she is prosecuting. what do you make of the fact that he even has to do that, still? >> well, it's extraordinary that we are where we are, isn't it? but what struck me as i was listened to that story is, here is a guy with integrity, who stood up and did the right thing, and boy, could mark meadows take a page from brian kemp. mark meadows, obviously the chief of staff, who is now the subject of this rico case. and, the subject of the op-ed that i wrote for the new york times, excuse me. i think that it's. you know, i think camp is that refreshing example, again, of how many people really with integrity, rose to the occasion, and helped to preserve democracy. no thanks to some of the people around donald trump. >> meadows testified on monday, that there is a role for the chief of staff to, in his view, make sure that the campaigns

goals are implemented at a federal level. i mean, the basic question is, is that true, a? and is it true, when the goal is to steal a free and fair election? >> yeah, so no white house chief of staff has any business doing what mark meadows was doing, in the state of georgia, after the 2020 election. you know, this is really a complete misrepresentation of what the job. nothing in the job description of white house chief of staff says that you should be meddling in a state, after a federal election. and, if you think about it, meadows is charged with crimes that would make nixon's hr holdman blush. he is charged, credibly, with orchestrating and a mafia style shakedown of the state officials for 11,000, 780 non existence vote. and on top of that, overturning a free and fair election. so, that's where we are, and i think there used to be. as i've said before, really,

there was a healthy competition for the title of worst white house chief in modern history. meadows owns it, lock stock and barrel. >> i mean, this is really the central issue here. i mean, it's not just the mugshots. there are two of them have that. but there's also the idea that the white house chief of staff role has been weaponized, potentially. and that. i mean, do you think there's permanent damage? >> yeah, and i think it's really important to understand what the white house chief is supposed to do. the white house chief is many things, he has famously the presidents gatekeeper, he is the presidents confidant, he is the person who executes the presidents agenda. but above all else, more important than any other responsibility is telling the president hard truths. you have to be able to walk into the oval office, close the door behind, you and tell the president what he doesn't want to hear. and, it was mark meadows's failure to do that, that really helped to create the biggest scandal in american political history. a truly historic failure, if you look at the scope of it all. chris ripple, thank you very much for being here.

>> my pleasure. >> and up next, an extraordinary moment in court today. two proud boys, crying, as they begged a judge for mercy in their sentences. hear what happened, and next, i will speak with a former proud boy, who knows both of these men. plus, one columnist suggests that democrats need a ticket of gretchen whitmer, and raphael warnock, in order to beat trump. we will discuss that. >> arp. try new neuriva ultra. think bigger. ♪ chevy silverado has what it takes to do it all. with up to 13 camera views. and the z71 off-road package. ♪ you ok? yeah. any truck can help you make a living. this one helps you build a life. chevy silverado. we're here today to set the record straight about dupuytren's contracture. surgery is not your only treatment option. people may think their contracture has to be severe to be treated, but it doesn't.

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seduced by the crowd, and he is not a terrorist, and that he wants to walk his daughter to school. another, also emotional, said he is done with politics. he is done peddling these lies for other people, and he apologized for his actions. and in turn, the judge admonish them, calling those actions a national disgrace. calling their testimony, utterly inconceivable. and saying, they dishonored the very uniform that they once wore. and the rights that people around the world would give anything for. that judge, sentenced proud boys leader jo biggs to 17 years in prison, and former marine zack real to 15 years. and my next guest is a very familiar with both of them. >> they are afraid to say what's on their mind, for fear of getting into a fight. but if they have that guy, or that group behind them, they are mobile more bold and saying what they think, because i think someone has their backs.

the proud boys are the vehicle, that attracts those people, and swept them in. >> russell schultz is a former proud boy member himself, helping to plan logistics for an event in portland. it ended with an altercation, and both he and bags found themselves in jail. shots left the group in 2019, and he joins me now tonight. russell, thank you for being here. as i was just saying, joseph biggs, who you know quite well, he was crying in the courtroom today. he told the judge, quote, i know that i have to be punished, and i understand. but please, give me the chance, i beg you to take my daughter to school, and pick our. up what do you make of that? the tears, maybe the contrition. but after all that he has been convicted of doing. >> well, it's a pretty complicated question. but i would, i would say yeah,

he is probably remorseful. he is looking at almost two decades in prison. i mean, obviously nobody wants to do that. he probably regrets his actions on that day, he probably wishes he could take them back. i don't know what the mob, i got him excited to do something they knew was wrong. i read the charges, and i couldn't. i mean, i helped them planned rallies in portland, and the rhetoric is, everyone wants to act like they are big and tough. but, nobody really follows up on it. and on january six, i guess they followed up on it. >> for someone who likes to act big and tough. i mean, does it, do you have any thoughts on the fact that he was willing to cry in that moment today? >> well sure. he is going to mis-c most of his life in prison. i mean, i assume that anybody with a conscious would be remorseful. i mean, he probably wishes he could take it back. he's probably lived wanting to take it back every day since

he's been incarcerated. i assume so. >> a lawyer for the other defendant today, zach real, he placed a large part of the blame on donald trump himself, saying that he didn't sink such long sentences were fair for, quote, taking your president seriously. do you agree with that? is that sentence unfair for that reason? >> no, because donald trump didn't make him do it, he did in himself. it was his own decision to do it. it was a bad decision, that donald trump didn't tell anybody to go stop the certification of the election. he wanted to protest. and i mean, i didn't go, obviously. but, everyone else should have known. they know right from wrong. everyone who crossed those barriers knew what they were doing, and that it was wrong. nobody should have even gone past the barriers, period. >> you are a part of the proud boys during a part of trump's presidency. and he literally called the proud boys out by name, on, on

a debate stage. i mean, how much influence did he have, or does he have, on that group? >> on the proud boys? oh yeah, tons of influence. to what degree, i'm not quite sure. but i think they just like the fact that the president was mentioning them. it was recognition. i don't know if trump knew where they were before, or after maybe he did. i don't know. >> and, do you think that today's sentences will make proud boys members think twice about the group? i mean, these two defendants where, maybe they remorseful because they were facing maybe perhaps a huge trunk of their lives in prison. but are the others watching this, and saying we can't do this anymore? >> well, i would sure hope they're watching this and saying they can't do it anymore. the most effective way to keep groups like that, any group, from coming to your city and causing trouble, would be to lock them up, put them in jail.

deterrence is a huge factor in law enforcement. and it's something that should be used more often, in a lot of cases, especially in the city i live in, it's really not used very often, unless you are a trump supporter. but we won't get into that. >> do you, what do you think about trump though? do you think he should face consequences. i think part of the argument here is, you put these guys away for conspiracy -- >> no, i mean, i wasn't -- i was falling twitter that day. and i remember reading he was telling people to go peacefully, and make your voice heard. i may not agree with it, but it wasn't unlawful. unlawful was everyone crossing those barriers, and taking it upon themselves to go up there and try to interfere with the certification of the electors. and, from what i understand, the planning ahead of time -- well, i read that, i couldn't see how they would have much a of a defense after that.

>> as you know, probably support for trump's really only growing. and he actually has made the fate of these january 6th defenders a part of his campaign. he has raised money for their defense funds, he has lionized them. what do you make of that? >> well, there are some people that disagree with the charges. i mean, that's not for me to say, that's for the people of washington d. c. to say. they were the jury, they were the ones deciding whether they were guilty or innocent. they got to hear the side from the prosecution, and they got to hear the side from the defense. and they made up their mind that they were going to convict. so, if the president wants to raise money for their defense, or other groups, that's completely acceptable. it happens on both sides of the aisle. >> you think it's acceptable for him to raise money for people who are being put on

trial for with i >> well, everyone is innocent until proven guilty. i >> but should you be raising money for them? >> if they are still innocent until proven guilty, why not? >> i think the whynot is that, even if you think that they have a right to innocence before they are convicted, that raising money for them seems to indicate support for their actions. whether they were criminal or not. >> i have to diss i can't disagree if you, you're right. but at the same time, you want to believe that the people are telling you the truth, and that they are being genuine with you. and, that they are fighting charges. so, it's just the american way that, we do what we can to defend ourselves. and if a jury finds otherwise. well, that's just the way it goes. >> so i'm sure a lot of people here, obviously are watching. and since you left the group, i

wonder, have you had interactions with other members who you were in there with? or have you had backlash, from speaking out? >> oh i've had lots of backlash for speaking out. but, those guys aren't my friends. i don't owe them any loyalty. when gavin left, and the joke was over, and guys jumped up and made it a serious streaking, i wanted no part of that. i join it because i thought it was a joke, and just fun, it was a gag. and they turned around, and made it something serious. and you know, things got out of control from there. guys pumping each other up, so, they just took it too far, i suppose. >> russell schultz, a really interesting conversation, thank you very much for being here. >> thank you -- >> and it's been 139 years since an unmarried candidate was elected president. senator tim scott may change that. but, some of his top donors are reportedly worried about that single status that he's got. plus, senator mitch mcconnell,

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a capitol physician medical clearing the sentence most powerful republican, after yet another freeze in public. mitch mcconnell's moment, putting the spotlight back on the ages of our most powerful leaders, including president biden. and the reality that, at just a few months shy of mcconnell's age, he will be 85 at the end of a second term. in fact, one columnist -- writes that democrats have to get michigan governor gretchen whitmer, and georgia senator raphael warnock to join forces on a presidential ticket, if they have any chance of beating donald trump in 2024. she cites concerns over president biden's age. but she argues, those are only going to get worse ahead of november, 2024. now joining me to discuss all of this, former presidential candidate howard dean. governor dean, thank you for being here, i appreciate it.

>> thank you for having me. >> so, amy is clear, she thinks biden has quite a lot of legislative success. but she writes this, but this is not they thought exercise, it's a preview of the end of democracy. and gambling that n a majority of americans have already written off for his age will be in a stronger shape politically a year from now, does not sound reasonable. it sounds incredibly dangerous. is she right? >> no. and, you do have to consider of course, the source. the bulwark is a right wing publication, that doesn't like trump. so they are. >> i mean, she is writing in the bulwark. but i don't think you can consider her to be right wing. and i think that's, that's beside the point. but on the substance of what she is saying. >> well, nothing is ever beside the point in washington d. c.. however, since you asked a fair enough question. first of all, i do think biden has done a really really good

job, in terms of the substance. second of all, whatever biden's poll numbers are now, he is being compared to the almighty. and, when the republicans make their nomination in milwaukee, he is then going to be compared to the alternative. and, that's not going to look very good. so i'll make a couple of comments. first, i think biden's done a really good job as president, whether you like him or not. and i don't know him particularly well. this is the first president i haven't known quite well, for a long time, on the democratic side. and even on the republican side, i knew george w. pretty well. but, so i would say biden's done a really good job, if you judge him just on his merits. secondly, i think the suggestion of a ticket, this ticket is fantastic for 2028. i mean, i'm a huge fan of gretchen whitmer, i think it's long past time to have a woman president in this country, and she would be one of my most leading candidates. but, this isn't 2028, it's 2024, and joe biden is going to be

the nominee. >> yeah i mean look, that actually raises a really important question, i think for the democratic party. i mean, let's call it a thought exercise here. if democrats had to run someone other than president biden in 2024, you think that there is a bench that is ready right now. >> yes. >> could -- >> i mean there's tons of people that already. first of all, i'm incredibly biased towards governors, having been one. and, i think governors make good presidents, in general, because they've had executive experience. and there have been an awful lot of people who have struggled with what it is to be an executive, after serving in the house and the senate. so, of course i think she is terrific. but there is a huge bench. there's a whole bunch of 45 and 50-year-olds in the senate on the democratic side, who would be terrific candidates for president. so, we have a deep bench. and i am not worried about that

at all. >> so, one of the things you brought up just now was that biden is being compared to the almighty, and if trump is the nominee, it changes things. the other part of the counter argument to that is that if trump becomes the nominee, and say, hicks a younger, yes less polarizing running mate, that could, arguably, boost him even further. a nikki haley, a tim scott. i mean, even a vivek ramaswamy, who is not as well-known. , but is clearly rising in the republican field. >> is that a factor? >> it could be. but he is never going to pick nikki haley, because he doesn't like are, and he's a sexist. and if he picks vivek ramaswamy, i think that would be terrific, because he is even more polarizing than trump. his numbers went up among republican viewers, after the debate. and his favorables went up about ten, and his negatives went up about 25. this is not a candidate that ought to be running with donald trump. so, and as far as tim scott

goes. you know, he's got a long way to go. and who knows, i haven't followed his candidacy very closely. i don't. trump doesn't leave any oxygen in the room. if it's trump versus biden, i think it's pretty clear, unless the vanity candidacy of the, whatever is, no labels, which is mostly financed by right-wing republican who buzz, as far as i can tell, we're going to win that race. biden versus trump. and, i don't have any worries about that. >> all right, howard dean, appreciated as always, thank you. >> thank you. >> and up next, speaking of tim scott, he is the bachelor running for the gop presidential nomination. but some gop donors, are reportedly worried that he is single, and how that might affect the race.

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went on the campaign trail with him, a fmer democratic senator for nebraska bob kerry also is on the list. he has been divorced for 14 years, when he decided to run in 1992. but some aren't too keen on senator scott being a bachelor, in this cycle. axios is reporting that some republican donors want some more details about his singles status, before they decide how much to support him in this race. the 57-year-old has remained pretty quiet about his love life, and he has previously referenced a girlfriend, but he has kept her identity private. now, and advisor says that he plans to address concerns around his single status in the coming weeks. i want to bring in the -- senior reporter jessica washington, along with pollster lee carter. ladies, senator scott has talked about his girlfriend, he has kept it private. apparently, that's not enough, even for his own donors. and i do wonder, do you think this is an issue, more for republican voters, because the party emphasizes family values, so much, for their candidates, and at the national level

especially? >> i really don't think that's the real issue. i think the real issue he has is that he is pretty boring, and memorable. and he hasn't broken through, and some people look for an excuse as to why they're not going to support him. >> he's been rising though, in the polls. >> it spending a ton of money, to get a couple of points. i mean, he is nowhere near where he needs to be, he is, i hate to say this, because he is a very very nice person. people really like, and they want to have a reason to vote for him. but i think there are a lot of people were concerned that he just doesn't have the thing. and, when that happens, they often point to things. because look, there are plenty of candidates out there who have bigger issues than whether or not they are single. and one of them is the leading candidate on the right, right now. >> yeah i mean, i will fill in

the blanks here, what you just put on the table. trump has been divorced, three times, or married three times,. he has been divorced multiple, times he has been accused of paying off a adult film actress. that doesn't seem to have mattered for him. >> yeah i mean, obviously you can't say that being divorced, or not having these kind of quote unquote family values is a disqualifier in this race. but i do think that scott isn't a little bit of a different position, because he is running as this traditional guy, he is not running opposite frump because he is still showing a lot of these same policy values. but he is saying, i'm this traditional, typical conservative. and so to run that way, and then not be the traditional, that i think could be more of a problem for him that it is for trump, who has never tried to portray himself that way in the first place. >> well, you know you, make a good point. tim scott is running on his evangelical, christian values. that's a huge part of his message.

here is actually how he responded to this, recently, talking about these questions about his single status. >> to suggest that somehow, being married or not married is going to be a determining factor of whether or not you're a good president, it sounds like we are living in 1963, and not 2023. i'm not sure the why that conversation became so, important when you are the single guy up there. but i will simply say that i probably have more time and more energy and more latitude to do the job. >> well, as a married person, i have time to, i have energy. [laughter] >> that's not what's keeping the for running for president, just to be clear. >> how do you feel about that response? >> i think it was a great response for a politician. but again, you look at him, he's almost perfect, but he's not. he is not the candidate, he is

not going to be the one. there's a reason why he hasn't broken double digit, and it's not because of his marital status. i think a lot of people listen to him, and what he says, it's perfectly forgettable. and it's wonderful, he has given some great speeches, i have even written about his speeches and said how wonderful they are. but, they are pieces of the same thing, over and over get. he is running on the american dream, he talked so much about his mother, it's wonderful, wonderful, wonderful stuff, except that is enough to get him elected. >> i hate to just have a panel were all agreeing with each other. [laughter] but to be fair, he had a not memorable debate, he is not high enough in the polls to really make an impact. you know, we have to take these kind of anonymous donor messages with a grain of salt, obviously, because people are not putting their name behind it. but, if he is having trouble with donors, that's a real problem for tim scott. because that is all he really has going,. we >> are putting up on the screen where he is in iowa, right now. that's third. at this stage, i mean, just to play devils advocate here, to defend the tim scott argument. i mean, that seems like he is

rising, and that there is a potential here. i mean we, or early enough in the race that he could have a moment. >> we are early enough for sure. and there are tractors we can watch, where we've seen people come out of left field, and really make a huge splash. donald trump being one of them. he was nowhere in the polls at this point, but he still came through. i just don't feel that kind of momentum, i don't see it coming through in the polls. it's a game of inches for him, it's not leaks. >> we will see how that turns a. lee carter, jessica washington, thank you both very much. >> end of next, it's been the record-breaking summer for women in entertainment, from barbie to beyoncé, taylor swift. and my next guest says it could help smash the patriarchy. plus, burger kings whopper, facing a legal threat, over accusations that it isn't as big as it claims to be.

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i thought it might stay over tonight. >> why? >> because we're girlfriend boyfriend >> to do what? >> >> i'm actually not sure. . >> it has been quite the summer for the ladies and in just a few days the barbie movie is expected to make its way onto the list of the top 15 grossing films of all-time. and beyoncé is still in the middle of her renaissance world tour and she has already broken the record for the highest grossing tour by a black artist. taylor swift's eras tour is set to be the highest grossing tour of all-time, earning a record setting one billion dollars in sales. now, both towards been credited with boosting the economies of the cities that they visit and if you can't get visits to her concert, or taylor swift just announced this morning that a concert movie will be out this fall. here to discuss it all is jill

elovitch, she wrote an op-ed for cnn. how barbie's billion dollar summer could help smash the patriarchy. jill, i messed up your name. >> you've got it right, that was really close. >> this was a great, smart piece fothis moment and i want to read a part of it for the audience. you' right, is this the summer, the starof a feminist pop culture boom ois it a not long for this worlbl or greenlit only as part of a broader nostalgia craze and soon to be swallowed up by the creativity killing forces of capital and male power that largely controls it? it is a great question and we have seen this kind of thing. it seems like we are having a moment, having a moment when it comes to race, or having a moment when it comes to gender, and then all of a sudden it seems like we're taking a couple of steps back. >> what do you think is happening? >> that kind of backlash is inevitable to progress. this moment that we are in right now is almost a feminist response to that backlash, i think, that we have had, women have had a really rough couple

of years. there is the election of donald trump, there was the overturning of roe v. wade, and every single moment of that kind of anti feminist, sexist, massaging's backlash was met by the women's march. now we are seeing the overturn of roe being met by a huge political force of women coming out to try to restore abortion rights. and then, on a pop culture level, or also seeing women really craving stories about our lives that don't feel shallow, that don't feel like papering over problems, but feel at once joyful, but also powerful and honest. and i think that is part of what women are flocking to the barbie film is because it does that, and why they're going to be on the concerts and taylor swift concerts. there is a basis for collective joy, collective bonding, and for a lot of power. >> what do you think it is about all three of these things?

the barbie movie, beyoncé, taylor swift, that makes sense. i will tell you what i think it is. it is sort of like where we are in feminism, which is that these are women who are unapologetically feminine, but also a business woman. they are powerful, they are barbie, she is everything. >> that is exactly right. part of what really struck me about the barbie movie is that it let its female characters be a lot of things at once. like you said feminine, fun, but also powerful. also vulnerable. also emotional, also sometimes angry when barbie comes into the real world and sees how patriarchy functions. i think a big component of the beyoncé, taylor, barbie summer is the fact that women and girls are going to these events together. you have goggles of girls dressing up, showing up in groups, and i think part of that is really missing those kind of group experiences during covid and having moments where you are able to come

together as women, as girls, in spaces that are joyful, but are also affirming of i think the rage and vulnerability and desire to move forward so many of us feel. >> it's super interesting, so glad you wrote that. thank you so much for being with us. up next, is the whopper not whopping enough? burger king is now having to confront a suit that says it's a famous burger is just too small. real and talk about some risks. with type 2 diabetes you have up to 4 times greater risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. even at your a1c goal, you're still at risk ...which if ignored could bring you here... ...may put you in one of those... ...or even worse. too much? that's the point. get real about your risks and do something about it. talk to your health care provider about ways to lower your risk of stroke, heart attack, or death. learn more at getrealaboutdiabetes.com

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you forced to defend the size of its trademark burger in court. a judge is rejecting burger kingly effort to dismiss a class action lawsuit that accuses the chain of making the whooper look larger on its menu than in real life. take a look. this is what it looks like on burger king's online menu anwhile no burger is the same. this is a comparison with a whooper at a california burger king restaurant in 2022. the judge says it will be up to the jurors to tell us what reasonable people think. burger king says that the plaintiff's complains a false and flame grilled beat patties portrayed are the same. used in millions to serve to customers nationwide. >> you're a lawyer, i have a whooper. >> no, you don't. >> yes, i do. >> does this look like -- does thoo